1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,126 Hello. 2 00:00:01,126 --> 00:00:04,337 I'm Chaplain Steve Norden of the Detroit Division of the FBI. 3 00:00:04,421 --> 00:00:07,382 I have had the humbling privilege serving the women 4 00:00:07,382 --> 00:00:11,845 and men of the FBI as chaplain for 11 and a half years. 5 00:00:11,928 --> 00:00:14,973 We chaplains in the FBI are one of the pillars 6 00:00:14,973 --> 00:00:18,935 of the EAP program, the others being peers, 7 00:00:19,019 --> 00:00:25,025 those who respond to critical incidents, and also those who are EAP counselors. 8 00:00:25,108 --> 00:00:28,903 We provide emotional and spiritual support 9 00:00:28,987 --> 00:00:34,701 to agents, analysts, management, and professional staff. 10 00:00:34,784 --> 00:00:39,789 As you listen to these stories, you're going to hear some that inspire you. 11 00:00:39,789 --> 00:00:43,710 You may hear some that tug at the strings of your heart. 12 00:00:43,793 --> 00:00:47,172 And I hope that you'll hear some that beckon you to consider 13 00:00:47,255 --> 00:00:51,801 being an FBI chaplain. 14 00:00:51,885 --> 00:00:52,719 We're physical. 15 00:00:52,719 --> 00:00:54,179 We're intellectual. 16 00:00:54,179 --> 00:00:57,182 We're emotional. And yes, we're spiritual. 17 00:00:57,307 --> 00:00:59,100 Our first responders go through a lot. 18 00:00:59,100 --> 00:01:00,685 They really do. 19 00:01:00,685 --> 00:01:05,732 And having been in the office for so long, I know sometimes they just want to talk. 20 00:01:05,815 --> 00:01:10,403 They just want someone to listen, and they want to kind of reflect on things 21 00:01:10,403 --> 00:01:13,406 that they've gone through or are going through. 22 00:01:13,406 --> 00:01:18,203 So I think we lend a presence to help them in this process. 23 00:01:18,286 --> 00:01:24,834 If you're going to do the work for the calling that you're getting from God himself, 24 00:01:24,876 --> 00:01:26,961 you need to be present. 25 00:01:26,961 --> 00:01:30,673 You feel it. You know it. 26 00:01:30,757 --> 00:01:33,426 You experience it with the living, 27 00:01:33,426 --> 00:01:37,847 including the people, the souls that are crossed over the other side. 28 00:01:37,931 --> 00:01:40,642 I can attest to the fact that it is 29 00:01:40,642 --> 00:01:43,645 truly an amazing service. 30 00:01:43,770 --> 00:01:46,773 You're really given the opportunity 31 00:01:46,940 --> 00:01:50,401 to serve those who serve us 32 00:01:50,485 --> 00:01:54,614 in incredible ways. Sacrificing themselves. 33 00:01:54,697 --> 00:01:58,493 Running in when everyone is running out. And to be available 34 00:01:58,493 --> 00:02:03,581 to have that opportunity to just listen, 35 00:02:03,665 --> 00:02:05,708 comfort, 36 00:02:05,708 --> 00:02:07,919 and be present 37 00:02:07,919 --> 00:02:11,172 when they are suffering, I think it's important 38 00:02:11,172 --> 00:02:15,093 to have chaplains in the FBI offices 39 00:02:15,176 --> 00:02:18,179 because it is a ministry of presence. 40 00:02:18,179 --> 00:02:23,184 I remember when I was first offered the opportunity, 41 00:02:23,268 --> 00:02:27,522 I wondered, you know, what could I offer 42 00:02:27,605 --> 00:02:32,652 these great Americans who are the best at what they do? 43 00:02:32,735 --> 00:02:33,444 I have found 44 00:02:33,444 --> 00:02:37,866 that just that ministry of presence to be 45 00:02:37,949 --> 00:02:41,494 just a guiding light in my chaplain work, 46 00:02:41,578 --> 00:02:44,247 Being a chaplain is a way of extending 47 00:02:44,247 --> 00:02:47,959 your understanding of the world of God 48 00:02:47,959 --> 00:02:52,463 and human beings and human care and...and what's right and what's wrong. 49 00:02:52,505 --> 00:02:56,759 It's good to have a perspective that comes in and provides 50 00:02:56,759 --> 00:03:01,097 a perspective that can be spiritual, that can open up and answer questions. 51 00:03:01,181 --> 00:03:03,433 Some of the worst questions we would ever get. 52 00:03:03,433 --> 00:03:06,811 What you're dealing with are women and men who serve the agency in the Bureau, 53 00:03:06,895 --> 00:03:09,314 who serve throughout the country, throughout the world, 54 00:03:09,314 --> 00:03:14,485 who have a just a broad amount of experience that invites us to a unique 55 00:03:14,485 --> 00:03:18,531 kind of ministry that you really don't find at, uh, at a local level. 56 00:03:18,615 --> 00:03:22,660 It's a wonderful ministry of presence that invites 57 00:03:22,744 --> 00:03:27,540 any law enforcement chaplain to be present to a unique group of folks 58 00:03:27,624 --> 00:03:29,876 whose lives are dedicated to the service of this country. 59 00:03:33,838 --> 00:03:35,006 One Saturday evening, 60 00:03:35,006 --> 00:03:40,011 I got a phone call from a colleague in the county police department 61 00:03:40,011 --> 00:03:42,972 where I work, and he said, "You're an FBI Chaplain." 62 00:03:42,972 --> 00:03:43,848 I said, "Yes, I am." 63 00:03:43,848 --> 00:03:47,101 He said, "Well, we have a kind of a situation, and we think 64 00:03:47,185 --> 00:03:51,522 it would be helpful if we had one of you guys out here at the situation." 65 00:03:51,564 --> 00:03:54,317 Turned out that 66 00:03:54,317 --> 00:03:57,111 an agent's daughter had committed suicide. 67 00:03:57,111 --> 00:04:00,490 And so I went to be 68 00:04:00,490 --> 00:04:04,160 with the agent outside of his house. We had nowhere to go. 69 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,956 So basically, we took the agent, invited him into my car, 70 00:04:07,956 --> 00:04:10,250 and we sat in the car for a couple hours. 71 00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:13,753 The special agent in charge showed up, and he was extremely helpful. 72 00:04:13,753 --> 00:04:16,506 He was wonderful at the...at this event. 73 00:04:16,506 --> 00:04:20,134 But worst possible moment in a person's life. 74 00:04:20,134 --> 00:04:22,387 And that was just, 75 00:04:22,470 --> 00:04:23,763 you know, it doesn't get much 76 00:04:23,763 --> 00:04:27,392 worse than that for a father in a family and everything else. 77 00:04:27,392 --> 00:04:33,147 And so, taking him from there and being with him 78 00:04:33,231 --> 00:04:36,985 later on during visitation before a funeral, it 79 00:04:37,193 --> 00:04:40,613 allowed him to know that he was not alone, that 80 00:04:40,863 --> 00:04:44,826 not only were his colleagues in the FBI, but there was spiritual support 81 00:04:44,826 --> 00:04:49,622 that he was getting at that...at the time of a very difficult moment in his life. 82 00:04:49,706 --> 00:04:51,332 It gives you a satisfaction. 83 00:04:51,332 --> 00:04:55,336 It's...you don't want bad things to happen, but when they do, 84 00:04:55,420 --> 00:04:59,340 you really want the people in your care 85 00:04:59,424 --> 00:05:03,594 to have someone they can talk to, and you can be very helpful in the worst 86 00:05:03,594 --> 00:05:08,474 moments of an agent's life or an analyst’s life, or anyone else working in the FBI. 87 00:05:08,558 --> 00:05:12,729 In August, which was two months after I became official 88 00:05:12,812 --> 00:05:15,982 in the Cincinnati branch, we had an incident 89 00:05:16,065 --> 00:05:19,652 where a man attempted to break into 90 00:05:19,736 --> 00:05:23,406 our branch with the intent to kill agents. 91 00:05:23,489 --> 00:05:28,411 And even though I had not been in the Bureau very long, 92 00:05:28,494 --> 00:05:31,998 it was the first time that something like that that was on the news felt 93 00:05:31,998 --> 00:05:35,793 very personal to me because those were my friends. 94 00:05:35,877 --> 00:05:40,006 And so, when I got the call, I wanted to be there. 95 00:05:40,006 --> 00:05:42,383 I wasn't afraid. 96 00:05:42,383 --> 00:05:44,677 And when I showed up, 97 00:05:44,677 --> 00:05:47,638 I think one of the most meaningful experiences for me 98 00:05:47,638 --> 00:05:51,392 was just, throughout that day, the all of the busyness, 99 00:05:51,392 --> 00:05:54,020 the coming and going, the people from headquarters arriving, 100 00:05:54,020 --> 00:05:58,274 just the friendships that I had made just in two months, 101 00:05:58,358 --> 00:06:01,361 people coming up to me and saying, "Thank you for being here. 102 00:06:01,402 --> 00:06:03,029 We need what you do. 103 00:06:03,029 --> 00:06:05,656 I'm so glad to see you at this time." 104 00:06:05,656 --> 00:06:08,284 And, for me, it was very meaningful, 105 00:06:08,284 --> 00:06:11,037 very early in my tenure 106 00:06:11,037 --> 00:06:14,874 in the Bureau, to realize that just showing up is enough 107 00:06:14,874 --> 00:06:20,004 sometimes to say what you want to say, even when you don't have the words 108 00:06:20,004 --> 00:06:24,592 and you don't have any expertise to offer other than just your care 109 00:06:24,675 --> 00:06:26,010 for those people. 110 00:06:26,010 --> 00:06:29,931 Your presence is really the most meaningful way 111 00:06:30,014 --> 00:06:33,935 to support the people who are dealing with such difficulty 112 00:06:33,935 --> 00:06:38,189 and working so hard for the benefit of everyone. 113 00:06:38,272 --> 00:06:43,486 In July 28th of 2019, 114 00:06:43,528 --> 00:06:47,240 there was a mass shooting in Gilroy, California. 115 00:06:47,323 --> 00:06:52,245 Shooting killed three. 116 00:06:52,328 --> 00:06:53,871 In that particular setting, 117 00:06:53,871 --> 00:06:56,499 it was 118 00:06:56,499 --> 00:06:59,293 my role as an FBI chaplain 119 00:06:59,293 --> 00:07:04,298 that invited me to kind of utilize all the different kinds of skills sets 120 00:07:04,382 --> 00:07:05,383 that one would use 121 00:07:05,383 --> 00:07:09,220 as a law enforcement chaplain, and and in a way I'd never done before. 122 00:07:09,303 --> 00:07:11,305 In in that mass shooting situation, 123 00:07:11,305 --> 00:07:13,349 the chaplain does whatever is needed. 124 00:07:13,349 --> 00:07:18,521 I remember doing everything from listening to folks to making runs to Starbucks 125 00:07:18,688 --> 00:07:22,900 to make sure our personnel get whatever they need. I remember one 126 00:07:22,942 --> 00:07:25,486 Bu personnel asking, 127 00:07:25,486 --> 00:07:27,488 "Hey, Chaplain, can you get me a rosary?" 128 00:07:27,488 --> 00:07:29,949 I remember going to a local Catholic parish. 129 00:07:29,949 --> 00:07:31,951 I'm a Catholic priest, but I wasn't particularly dressed 130 00:07:31,951 --> 00:07:32,994 as a Catholic priest at the time. 131 00:07:32,994 --> 00:07:35,830 I was like, "Hey, is there a place I could buy a rosary?" 132 00:07:35,830 --> 00:07:39,834 But I knew that one of our Bu personnel really wanted a rosary on that scene. 133 00:07:39,834 --> 00:07:42,795 So it's one of those occasions 134 00:07:42,795 --> 00:07:45,882 where you're doing everything and anything in service 135 00:07:45,882 --> 00:07:51,053 to the incident and in service to the personnel that are on the scene, 136 00:07:51,137 --> 00:07:53,347 both Bu personnel, 137 00:07:53,431 --> 00:07:56,392 personnel from within the community, local law enforcement. 138 00:07:56,392 --> 00:08:00,354 But just being able to represent the Bureau and its desire to be present 139 00:08:00,354 --> 00:08:03,357 to the community, in all different aspects, it really 140 00:08:03,357 --> 00:08:06,944 just was a... 141 00:08:07,028 --> 00:08:07,737 a fruitful 142 00:08:07,737 --> 00:08:11,491 and fulfilling experience for me as a Bureau chaplain. 143 00:08:11,574 --> 00:08:17,997 Now I've been with the FBI for over 30 years, and in that time period, 144 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,458 I have met some truly 145 00:08:20,458 --> 00:08:23,461 incredible and amazing people 146 00:08:23,461 --> 00:08:26,464 and have been part of some 147 00:08:26,631 --> 00:08:29,300 historical events, 148 00:08:29,300 --> 00:08:33,095 some truly tragic events. 149 00:08:33,179 --> 00:08:35,223 In the Pittsburgh office, 150 00:08:35,223 --> 00:08:37,767 we have had two agents 151 00:08:37,767 --> 00:08:40,228 who have died in the line of duty. 152 00:08:40,228 --> 00:08:44,649 Also, on 9/11, 153 00:08:44,732 --> 00:08:48,152 I was the first chaplain to arrive to assist 154 00:08:48,236 --> 00:08:52,114 at Flight 93 in Shanksville. 155 00:08:52,198 --> 00:08:56,202 Those experiences taught me a great deal 156 00:08:56,285 --> 00:09:03,084 about human courage, faithfulness, integrity. 157 00:09:03,167 --> 00:09:04,835 Self-sacrifice, 158 00:09:04,835 --> 00:09:07,755 no matter the cost, to do the right thing 159 00:09:07,755 --> 00:09:11,217 and to care for others. 160 00:09:11,300 --> 00:09:13,344 When you think of what 161 00:09:13,344 --> 00:09:17,014 our agents are exposed to in those types 162 00:09:17,014 --> 00:09:20,059 of events and investigations, 163 00:09:20,059 --> 00:09:25,147 evidence recovery. As a chaplain, I look at them 164 00:09:25,273 --> 00:09:28,276 and say, "This person before me 165 00:09:28,317 --> 00:09:32,071 is an amazing human being." 166 00:09:32,154 --> 00:09:35,908 And anything that I can do as a chaplain 167 00:09:35,992 --> 00:09:39,078 to provide them with some comfort, encouragement, 168 00:09:39,203 --> 00:09:42,707 hope, friendship, 169 00:09:42,790 --> 00:09:44,792 support. 170 00:09:44,792 --> 00:09:49,380 To be able to pray together if they wish. 171 00:09:49,463 --> 00:09:53,092 To be able to just be there. 172 00:09:53,175 --> 00:09:55,428 It's truly an honor. 173 00:09:55,428 --> 00:09:58,431 To do this 174 00:09:58,472 --> 00:10:02,018 gives you and me an opportunity 175 00:10:02,101 --> 00:10:04,979 to give back 176 00:10:04,979 --> 00:10:08,232 to those who give so much of themselves. 177 00:10:08,316 --> 00:10:10,901 If you are in ministry 178 00:10:10,901 --> 00:10:14,280 as a Rabbi, Iman, 179 00:10:14,363 --> 00:10:18,159 a minister, a priest, 180 00:10:18,242 --> 00:10:21,245 and you are afforded the opportunity 181 00:10:21,454 --> 00:10:25,499 to serve those who serve us, 182 00:10:25,583 --> 00:10:29,503 I highly recommend you consider 183 00:10:29,587 --> 00:10:30,921 the invitation. 184 00:10:30,921 --> 00:10:32,048 Love. 185 00:10:32,048 --> 00:10:34,634 We need to share it. 186 00:10:34,634 --> 00:10:38,596 I can be in front of... be in front of an FBI agent, 187 00:10:38,596 --> 00:10:43,768 one of the most hardcore, gung-ho, Marine Corps, 188 00:10:43,768 --> 00:10:44,393 Army Corps, 189 00:10:44,393 --> 00:10:45,436 it doesn't matter. 190 00:10:45,436 --> 00:10:47,897 They could be the most hardest hardcore, 191 00:10:47,897 --> 00:10:50,149 like a rock. Like a piedra. 192 00:10:50,149 --> 00:10:52,526 But I can guarantee you one thing. 193 00:10:52,526 --> 00:10:56,364 God has love, and God finds a way to get that heart. 194 00:10:56,447 --> 00:11:00,368 And by the time you know it, that individual, that soul, 195 00:11:00,451 --> 00:11:02,912 we're embracing. 196 00:11:02,912 --> 00:11:04,038 That's love. 197 00:11:04,038 --> 00:11:05,331 That's what it's all about. 198 00:11:05,331 --> 00:11:08,751 The FBI Chaplain corps is con mucho amor, 199 00:11:08,751 --> 00:11:14,006 con mucho caridad. With a bunch of love and a lot of care. 200 00:11:14,090 --> 00:11:19,637 You're invited to a world that invites you to be a part of that particular scope, 201 00:11:19,637 --> 00:11:23,224 that not only do you broaden your sense of perspective in so far as 202 00:11:23,474 --> 00:11:27,061 ministry is concerned, but you engage in an opportunity 203 00:11:27,061 --> 00:11:30,064 to serve your country by ministering to the people who have 204 00:11:30,064 --> 00:11:33,275 the best interests of our country in mind. 205 00:11:33,275 --> 00:11:36,862 And I think that's pretty cool, if you ask me. 206 00:11:36,862 --> 00:11:42,868 The opportunity that we have to be there, to be a friendly face, 207 00:11:42,868 --> 00:11:47,581 is just some of the most rewarding work that I have found in ministry. 208 00:11:47,707 --> 00:11:51,544 Something that I feel like any person of faith would find 209 00:11:51,544 --> 00:11:57,383 very natural and very meaningful, personally, in your faith. 210 00:11:57,466 --> 00:12:03,013 I'd like to encourage clergy persons, men and women, 211 00:12:03,097 --> 00:12:05,808 to think about becoming a chaplain 212 00:12:05,808 --> 00:12:08,602 for the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 213 00:12:08,602 --> 00:12:10,771 I count it a joy. 214 00:12:10,771 --> 00:12:13,691 I'm excited that I had this opportunity. 215 00:12:13,691 --> 00:12:16,485 And I believe it's a once-in-a-life opportunity. 216 00:12:16,485 --> 00:12:19,488 And I think folks have gifts, skills, and talents 217 00:12:19,739 --> 00:12:23,576 that indeed our first responders could really use. 218 00:12:23,743 --> 00:12:25,870 So come on, think about it. 219 00:12:25,870 --> 00:12:28,080 I think you'll be glad that you did. 220 00:12:31,041 --> 00:12:34,253 If you'd like to consider being an FBI chaplain, I encourage you 221 00:12:34,253 --> 00:12:39,216 to contact the employee assistance coordinator in your field office. 222 00:12:39,300 --> 00:12:43,220 She or he will be willing to meet with you and explain the requirements 223 00:12:43,220 --> 00:12:47,808 and the expectations of FBI chaplaincy, 224 00:12:47,892 --> 00:12:50,728 and if the two of you determine that this is a direction 225 00:12:50,728 --> 00:12:52,438 in which you'd like to head, 226 00:12:52,438 --> 00:12:56,484 she'll contact or he will contact executive management 227 00:12:56,484 --> 00:13:00,154 to see if there is a need for an FBI chaplain in your division 228 00:13:00,237 --> 00:13:04,408 and whether or not you might be a good fit. 229 00:13:04,492 --> 00:13:08,037 May God's peace and God's blessing be yours.